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Really very confined engine bay lengthwise. yeah, had already figured that out ... it was a tongue in cheek message, that I didn't make clear ... my negative In reply to spitfirebill: I included that point because when I had to locate a replacement 4.9 for my F150, I had to go with every one in every junkyard in South Jersey to find one that had not been sludged up actually terribly.
Bernie: Which is a much better van, while we're going to chat regarding a few concerns of these vans, yet I I'm clearly not going to come out and claim one is much better than the various other. Bernie: Well, they're basically the same automobile.
They seem to be a little bit a lot more utilized because location, but, you recognize, those are a few of the uses, yet they're basically the same category of car. Mark: So, well, allow's start with engines then. What concerns do you see in between these two lorries? Bernie: Yeah. Let's speak concerning engine and in fact just to specify that the model years, we're going to begin from 2000 and up, you know, I imply, these vans have actually been around for a lengthy time.
And, you know, for a variation of a Chevy van has been around since, you understand, around that time also. Because 2000, I suggest, Ford's, you can obtain these with V6 engines or V8s.
So, you know, Fords, and the majority of them come with the Triton V8. There's a great deal of problems with these engines. In the earlier 2000 stimulate plugs with strike to these engines, due to the fact that they didn't have enough threading in the trigger plug, which created issues. And typically that would certainly take place when you may be in a 15 guest bus going up a hillside with a lots of people and all of an abrupt boom, an ignition system bulges and you're stranded.
So if you're getting anything from possibly 08 and more recent, you're not going to have that kind of spark plug issues. Various other areas though, with the Fords that we see, intake manifolds will leak, they'll develop coolant leaks. It's a plastic manifold typically you need to replace the whole thing.
And there's some problems, the Ford engine I have to say in their favour, due to the fact that I'm speaking about issues, it's a much more innovative engine. Expenses camera, so you're obtaining more power and performance out of the engine than you would certainly on a Chevy, which is an easier design with push poles.
They're simply truly respectable, sturdy, strong engines. You understand, being a van, naturally, you know, doing any kind of solution on them is much more complicated since you have actually got to get rid of that cover and enter maintenance in odd means. Things like stimulate plugs last a horrible long time, so they don't need to be replaced very frequently.
Mark: Can you get these vans with diesel motor? Bernie: You can and we do service a few of them. I can not believe of if we have actually ever done a Chevy, but Chevy, they're available from 2006 to 16 with a Duramax diesel. The Fords have actually had diesels in them for a long time, like back before the 2000 design year.
You know, that's still available. If you're a say, I do not recognize, I'm simply going to say a plumbing professional and you have actually obtained like a whole lot of heavyweight inside your van and you're towing a trailer behind it, that would be a truly great use of having a diesel powered van.
In all fairness, it appears like the diesels are, they appear to have much less troubles in vans than they carry out in the vehicles. Possibly due to the fact that they aren't worked so hard, but when things happen, they're really costly to repair. We have actually obtained a great deal of videos and info regarding diesels, particularly the Fords.
You really need to think two times about obtaining a diesel in a van. That's my referral. Mark: Yeah, so healthy for function, make sure that you're suitable the engine that you're buying for the function that you're endeavouring to accomplish. Bernie: Yeah, precisely. And I will certainly say, Chevy is basically restricted to V8 engines, however Ford has a V 10 engine also, which is a monstrous gas wolfing engine.
But if you're, and again, we're simply speaking regarding type of a right, regular freight van below. The diesel absolutely isn't the most effective choice. Take a look at your function, your usage, exactly how much weight you're carrying and that'll assist you make the choice. Mark: What about the transmission et cetera of the drive train? Bernie: They're rather a lot equivalent.
Something that we haven't discussed here is what type of van. These vans are, and it depends on what version, they're available ever before from half heap to one bunch framework and in fact several of the cutaway vans are really much more long lasting, like, you understand, 450s and 550s for state the Fords.
Normally the drive trains, you understand, I locate them to be pretty much equivalent. Mark: So let's speak about steering and suspension. How do they compare? Bernie: You understand, I'm going to offer the edge to Ford on this one. And the factor for Ford is that it's a little less complex.
There's much less steering affiliation included in a Chevy. There are less components to use out. They do a ball joints that use out. Do Chevy's, yet it seems, and the Chevy's probably last a little longer than the Fords, but the, you recognize, the steering affiliation is much less challenging, so there's much less parts and less things to wear out.
The experience in a Ford is possibly a little bit extra vehicle like yet I do not understand if you 'd really ever truly observed a distinction in between the two. It looks like their parts are a little tougher on the Ford than the Chevy. Mark: What about brakes? Bernie: Brakes are rather much the same, yet I will certainly state that it feels like with Fords, the way they develop their brake calipers, that they often tend to require to be replaced virtually each time you do a brake task.
For some factor, they seem to last for one brake job. And afterwards a lot of times we take the brakes off and claim, Oh, the dust boots torn, and so the caliper needs to be changed. I think on a Ford and you can anticipate to invest a little more cash on brakes and you can on a Chevy.
And I can, I'm mosting likely to digress back prior to the 2000 model years, there were some Chevy vans that had truly negative doors. I imply, the sliding doors were crap, you recognize, actually badly constructed. In fact, I would claim that if you are also considering something older, it feels like Chevy and GMC vans really and their trucks in general really took a leap onward in high quality around the 2000 model year, since there was a lot of things where the brakes for instance would certainly not last extremely long in all.
If we're looking at the 2000 more recent, I mean, I would certainly claim they're both possibly rather much matching in high quality, fit and finish, you understand, some of the passenger vans, of course we'll have better consultations than the freight vans. I can not state that one of them stands out to me a little bit even more than the other.
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