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Extremely really cramped engine bay lengthwise. yeah, had actually currently figured that out ... it was a tongue in cheek post, that I really did not make clear ... my bad In reply to spitfirebill: I added that factor since when I had to discover a replacement 4.9 for my F150, I had to go via each in every junkyard in South Jacket to locate one that had not been sludged up truly severely.
Bernie: Which is a better van, while we're going to chat about a few issues of these vans, but I I'm plainly not going to come out and say one is far better than the various other. Bernie: Well, they're basically the same lorry.
Mark: So, well, allow's begin with engines after that. Allow's talk concerning engine and in fact just to specify that the version years, we're going to start from 2000 and up, you understand, I indicate, these vans have been around for a lengthy time.
And, you understand, for a variation of a Chevy van has been around because, you know, around that time as well. Considering that 2000, I indicate, Ford's, you can obtain these with V6 engines or V8s.
There's a lot of concerns with these engines. In the earlier 2000 stimulate plugs with blow to these engines, since they didn't have enough threading in the spark plug, which triggered problems.
If you're purchasing anything from probably 08 and newer, you're not going to have that kind of stimulate plug issues. Various other areas though, with the Fords that we see, consumption manifolds will certainly leakage, they'll create coolant leaks. It's a plastic manifold usually you have to change the entire thing.
And there's some issues, the Ford engine I need to state in their favour, due to the fact that I'm speaking about problems, it's a much more advanced engine. Overhead web cam, so you're getting more power and performance out of the engine than you would certainly on a Chevy, which is a less complex layout with push rods.
They're simply truly respectable, sturdy, solid engines. You recognize, being a van, obviously, you know, doing any kind of solution on them is extra challenging since you have actually got to eliminate that cover and enter into servicing in odd ways. Yet points like ignition system last a horrible long period of time, so they do not need to be changed really frequently.
Mark: Can you get these vans with diesel motor? Bernie: You can and we do service a few of them. I can't think of if we've ever before done a Chevy, however Chevy, they're available from 2006 to 16 with a Duramax diesel. The Fords have actually had diesels in them for a long period of time, like back before the 2000 version year.
So, you know, that's still available. I would not suggest a diesel unless you're transporting exceptionally heavy tons. Diesels require to be functioned. That's actually the bottom line with a diesel. So if you're a say, I do not understand, I'm just going to claim a plumbing professional and you have actually got like a great deal of heavyweight inside your van and you're lugging a trailer behind it, that would be a truly excellent usage of having a diesel powered van.
In all justness, it appears like the diesels are, they appear to have much less problems in vans than they perform in the vehicles. Possibly due to the fact that they aren't worked so hard, but when things take place, they're truly expensive to fix. We have actually obtained a great deal of video clips and details regarding diesels, especially the Fords.
So you actually need to think two times about getting a diesel in a van. That's my recommendation. Mark: Yeah, so suitable for objective, see to it that you're suitable the engine that you're purchasing for the purpose that you're endeavouring to fulfill. Bernie: Yeah, precisely. And I will say, Chevy is virtually limited to V8 engines, but Ford has a V 10 engine too, which is a monstrous gas wolfing engine.
If you're, and once again, we're just speaking about kind of a right, regular cargo van here. The diesel absolutely isn't the very best choice. Take a look at your objective, your use, just how much weight you're transporting which'll assist you make the choice. Mark: What regarding the transmission and the remainder of the drive train? Bernie: They're quite a lot equal.
One point that we have not discussed right here is what kind of van. These vans are, and it depends upon what model, they're readily available ever from half heap to one lot chassis and actually some of the cutaway vans are in fact a lot more long lasting, like, you recognize, 450s and 550s for state the Fords.
But normally the drive trains, you understand, I locate them to be quite a lot equal. Mark: So allow's speak about guiding and suspension. Just how do they contrast? Bernie: You understand, I'm mosting likely to provide the edge to Ford on this set. And the factor for Ford is that it's a little easier.
There's much less guiding linkage associated with a Chevy. There are much less parts to put on out. They do a round joints that use out. Do Chevy's, however it seems, and the Chevy's possibly last a little bit longer than the Fords, however the, you understand, the steering linkage is a lot less complicated, so there's less components and less items to put on out.
The experience in a Ford is most likely a little extra truck like but I do not understand if you 'd really ever before really observed a difference in between the 2. It appears like their components are a little tougher on the Ford than the Chevy. Mark: What concerning brakes? Bernie: Brakes are basically the same, yet I will certainly state that it looks like with Fords, the means they build their brake calipers, that they tend to need to be changed virtually each time you do a brake work.
For some reason, they appear to last for one brake job. And then a great deal of times we take the brakes off and say, Oh, the dirt boots torn, and so the caliper needs to be replaced. I assume on a Ford and you can anticipate to spend a bit more cash on brakes and you can on a Chevy.
And I can, I'm mosting likely to digress back before the 2000 design years, there were some Chevy vans that had truly bad doors. I mean, the moving doors were crap, you know, truly terribly built. As a matter of fact, I would claim that if you are even looking at something older, it feels like Chevy and GMC vans really and their vehicles as a whole truly took a jump onward in high quality around the 2000 version year, due to the fact that there was a great deal of stuff where the brakes as an example would certainly not last extremely long whatsoever.
If we're looking at the 2000 more recent, I indicate, I 'd say they're both possibly rather much equivalent in top quality, fit and coating, you recognize, some of the traveler vans, of course we'll have better visits than the freight vans. However I can not claim that of them attracts attention to me a little bit greater than the other.
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